IMAN, Amanda, Kei, DD, Guts I think are the ones left from BiG no? Stormer pops in every now and then too, no idea when Kendawg joined, but then again neither of them are "active-active", like once every two months active There are still a bunch left from BP era.
All the people I joined with on this world got nobled quite early, which is kind of sad ... Then some might say "No shit? You nobled them!" which is a valid point! As sad as it may have been there were only room for one bunny on this world!
You were part of that lousy tribe with that lousy tribe leader called TRK, weren't you Bunny?
The guy had absolutely no leading skills but somehow he managed to recruit some pretty decent players...
Yes I was! TRK was awesome, at least my section, none of them are left though. I nobled most of them, fairly certain thats how I got into BP. If I remember correctly there was some NAP with my squad and BeerMeSir (BP) one in my squad broke it so i supported Beer and nobled my tribe mate My section had a guy called "Test Tickle" BEST! NAME! EEEEVEEER!!
I mostly remember people (me included) complaining about the leader of TRK But then again thats pretty much my memory of BP too hehe *cough* DD going inactive *cough* Then Alpha going inactive *cough* Then Kendawg going inactive *cough* TRK had surprisingly many decent players, above average for an early game tribe I would think. No clue how he managed to recruit all of them, must of been one hell of a good slogan on the tribe poster!
"Friends" and "friends", acquaintances is probably the more correct term! We met for dinner once or twice then they became dinner, you know, just ordinary friendship stuff! Ladies... Ladies... Dont get any ideas I didnt mean I ate them THAT way. I meant it in the bad way, no not THAT way either... Geeeeese... Pervs! I meant the cannibal way!
You know what this world is missing? A queen! How do you find a queen? Some good old fashioned classy... Mud fights! *looks at Tryynity/Zekk/Hawk.Eye/Vikgoesbananas/Bananasplit* Get the hint!
I've been asked to continue my stats, so here we go. I'm not going to bother comparing them to previous stats, since the mergers distorted them too much. Anyone involved with the merger, go shame yourself! (3 Hail Mary's for the catholic ones, the rest just go stand in the corner for an hour.)
I'm trying to introduce two new comparisons with the barbs/enemy villages nobled, I hope I'll find the time to check the stats (enemy villages will only the other tribe, as all the other tribes pretty much vanished into non-existance, or at least don't play a huge role anymore).
BNY
Rank: 1
Tribe Level: 45
Members: 165
Villages: 20,024
Points: 177,737,798
Points of the top 40 players: 97,428,056
ppm: 1,077,199
Obash: 730,143,451
Dbash: 564,657,221
Barbs nobled since last update:
Enemy villages nobled since last update:
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RLP
Rank: 2
Tribe Level: 40
Members: 160
Villages: 10,249
Points: 84,184,576
Points of the top 40 players: 52,374,037
ppm: 526,154
Obash: 332,795,713
Dbash: 344,851,201
Barbs nobled since last update:
Enemy villages nobled since last update:
so change it join with us and enjoy fighting those better players you all want to fight
all i have heard since playing this server is that bigfish/bh/bbh are all the best players and everyone else is shit and they want to fight better players and yet for the whole world they have never left to fight against those great players they want to face. infact they recruit all those so called shit players over and over
everytime yous have had a chance at a great fight you have recruited yourselfs out of that said fight that you all keep saying you want
i think you all talk a good game but in the end all you want is to win at all costs nothing to do with ending the world fast blah blah
you just want the win without the fight
so if you really were
again yous never wanted the proper fight yous always wanted the easy win and would do anything to get it
Idle observations from a largely occasional player, who seems to have been labelled a peasant (nice skills moderators!!!) - First all the retoric here seems to come from those in the big bad banana consortium who cannot seem to be able to discuss things logically with other groupings and label any other grouping bad players. If the other tribes are as bad as they portray, should have conquered the world months ago.
I have to agree with Naz - in every instance when BP, BoH and latterly B-H actually engaged in battle, they were rolled back province by province until, lo and behold, surprise surprise, a merger - normally following some sort of rebellion within the ranks - mmmm I seem to remember Volkers in one, Metal Bunny in another. And what happens when that happens? Any player that disagrees get eaten by his own tribe. What also happens? As has with the latest merger that destroyed what was becoming a good game, people become disinterested and go inactive - so bold big barbaric bananas - enjoy your hollow victory if you ever achieve it You have managed to make the game extremely tedious - many of those inactives have actually gone to play in another world where they can have a little fun.
I'm always happy to see new faces here, hope you'll enjoy your stay
1.) Now to make a few comments on your opinions, BH/BNY or whatever we tend to call us now (Volker's Evil Minions, my personal suggestion) has often said that it's somewhat sad that there are so few players from outside the tribe commenting here.
At the very start, Dauthi was browsing the externals quite often, but apart from Nazorith who made about 2 or 3 posts I believe, the only ones you found here were SI and BzB (those only for just a bit). So by all means, do get more RLP players in here, tell us your opinions!
2.) When you look up previous pages of this thread and compare the stats I posted (I do hope you're not calling them fake as well), you will notice that RLP had the worst growth of all of BH, BzB and RLP for a long time. Lately (after the BH/BzB merger) RLP's growth is negative, even without players leaving, right now the only thing restricting us is the lack of nobles, not the skill of your players (again, feel free to call me wrong here, but that's how I'm experiencing it).
3.) I don't get how you see us being rolled back province by province, only to have us being saved by a merger.
Talking about the south, I tend to agree, we were being pushed back there quite a bit, we had to struggle with a lot of inactivity there and in fact you did take a fair few provinces from us with the help of LOD.
However, talking about core or the north, you are just plainly wrong with that statement. Talking about core is rather easy, it's pretty much the opposite of our south for you, you had lots of inactive players there, who we took advantage on and you lost a lot there, Velare got beaten up very badly and lost around 500k points in a week I believe.
Talking about the north we need to talk about 2 different fronts, one is the old "Shepard Front", which was just a nightmare for RLP, I had 4 OPs on me, the first one in October/November, the last one in January. Since October, RLP has not made any progress there and was being pushed back all the time, countless of players up there have quit by now or are more or less inactive (Dauthi, Castus, Retroline).
The other north front was more stalematey for the most time, however at one point BH majorly stepped up their game there and pushed into countless RLP provinces, making a lot of them quit and rendering others meaningless. All of that was before the BH/BzB merger.
4.) Which rebellions are you talking about? The only time the tribe founder title changed, was when the previous one went inactive. From Daredeviler it went to OneAlpha to Kendawg to Metalbunny.
Who of the rebelling ones got eaten? Please do elaborate.
5.) If the world had stayed the same with no merger at all, it would have gone on for another year at least. BH had about 12k villages, RLP had 10k villages, BzB had 8k. So it was 12k villages against 18k villages, where the 12k villages had the better growth (by a lot), so for any of those sides getting to 80% would take a long, long time.
I've actually been against the merger, I'd have fought it out, but since I'm only one voice of many, the merger happened and RLP got the bad end of the stick since they've not replied to our proposals.
Idle observations from a largely occasional player, who seems to have been labelled a peasant (nice skills moderators!!!) - First all the retoric here seems to come from those in the big bad banana consortium who cannot seem to be able to discuss things logically with other groupings and label any other grouping bad players. If the other tribes are as bad as they portray, should have conquered the world months ago.
I have to agree with Naz - in every instance when BP, BoH and latterly B-H actually engaged in battle, they were rolled back province by province until, lo and behold, surprise surprise, a merger - normally following some sort of rebellion within the ranks - mmmm I seem to remember Volkers in one, Metal Bunny in another. And what happens when that happens? Any player that disagrees get eaten by his own tribe. What also happens? As has with the latest merger that destroyed what was becoming a good game, people become disinterested and go inactive - so bold big barbaric bananas - enjoy your hollow victory if you ever achieve it You have managed to make the game extremely tedious - many of those inactives have actually gone to play in another world where they can have a little fun.
Lets just talk about the concept of skill. What is skill? Knowing the basics and all the tricks of the game. Right so let me give you an example, lets compare your offensives on me compared to Hibakushas offensive on LordAndrew and AceOfSpades.
Hibakusha offensive on LordAndrew and AceofSpades:
Before Hiba makes an offensive he doesnt noble/attack much for a week and focuses farming to get enough nobles/troops. When its time he times his attacks to land on the same day even the same hour. He times his nukes with spies, he gets unit reports on all the villages after his nukes hit so he knows where to send the noble trains. Not only that he also times sabotage to hit the church village right before all his nukes lands. Hibakusha plans his offensive days ahead and uses multiple tricks in the book. Most importantly he dont play like an individual player he plays with all the team mates around him, they work together to accomplish a goal and attack their respective provinces at the same day. Hibakusha turns entire provinces from red to blue in a matter of a few days.
Nzrovy offensive on Bunny:
You have been sending attacks to one of my province for several days in a row, not all my villages in the province but 2 villages at a time in the province. Considering me having 460 villages, that is very very easy for me to defend! Now not only are you only attacking 2 of my villages at a time, you have no church in the province. I think all of the attacks you have sent have been fakes, even a noble here and there without escort. Now considering I am rank 2 in D bash with 21 mil Dbash we can safely assume I have some previous experience defending. You have failed to do the most basic tasks in an offensive: Attack with faith, attack the entire province, have escort with your nobles, adapt tactics after player you are facing.
If you read this thread you will see us complimenting both S-I and Bzb several times. You will notice 70-80% of all criticism is towards RLP. RLP tactics have been the exact same since the start of the world. Most of those tactics have been denying the obvious, I mean for how many months did we tell you your north was in a bad shape? BH/BNY tactics have adapted the best example is looking at our diplomacy. The difference between our South and your North was that in your North it was 1 BH player taking out several RLP players in our South it was S-I/ALF/LoD/RLP/THO all fighting the same few BH players.
This is not about saying you are bad and we are good, its about RLP neither learning from their mistakes or adapting after circumstances. This world should of been won by RLP considering the village advantage. RLP failed to win despite a big advantage and if thats the case you need to look at what you did wrong and then try again and do it better next time instead of looking at us. If BNY managed to fail and lose the world now we would have to do the exact same thing.
Well, a little throwback to the start of the world. Shekel and Rezpect both called it when they saw the name MRK, that they use haphazard tactics like that. All they do is sab and sloppily timed fakes with a few nukes a day, rather than rolling a province in that day or something. They try to wear down their opponent rather than actually beating them. Being on the receiving end of a few of their ops i can also confirm it.
Bunny already said much of what I was writing. But since I was already halfway done I decided to finish it anyway.
So, I will tell you about the experience fighting RLP in the SouthSouth.
CeciliaMiller had most of her provinces with just 1 to 4 villages. She was an aggressive player and always killed all resistence before they could grow, so she controlled her area with few villages per province. Around January LA's south RLP squad started attacking CeciliaMiller, but at the time the tribe was focusing elsewhere, so she killed 90% of the attempts to noble her southern villages but never really fought back. RLP kept trying over and over again. They failed to noble her but they kept nobling barbs in her provinces. In the end she had about the same number of villages and RLP had about 30 ex-barb villages in each of her provinces. Seeing they couldn't noble Cecilia, they decided to try MissDaisy. The principle was the same, trying to wear her down, with all players attacking the same player. We kept playing mostly defensive and RLP main advances were through barb nobling. Since the outcome was the same they chose another player to pick, Tael. Same principle in the way they advanced.
This barb nobling fest gave them the impression that they were winning the battle, gaining provinces... even if in reality, in a period of 4 months, they actually only nobled about 10 to 20 villages from us. The rest were barbs, lots of barbs in the provinces they failed to noble us fully. This is currently happening again with bosshogworthy. Again, lot's of progress of RLP, but mostly on barbs and inactives, zero progress on the only player there that is actually fighting.
So, to sum RLP's tactics in the south are:
1. They pick one player to attack.
2. Every player available from their tribe is moved to that province, it's quite common to see 10 RLP players in just one province.
3. They attack that player, if they fail they keep attacking in a mindless way in an attempt to tire him down.
4. If the player gets tired, he will quit and RLP will finally be able to noble him.
5. If he is a stubborn bastard, RLP will at some point give up the fight, will noble most of the barbs in the provinces they were attacking and pick up a new player to attack.
RLP's success is based upon one thing only, tiring the enemy. And their advances in the map are a consequence of the players you made quit and a lot of barb nobling. Attention, making the enemy quit is a perfectly normal and valid tactic. There is just one problem with it, you must have a backup plan for the players that don't quit, and so far I haven't seen it from you.
I don't have any south specific maps from this time but you can see in the world maps that the advance of RLP in the south does not represent any fall back from B-H/BNY. The blue limit barely changes in time, it's the red that is advancing and getting thicker in its surroundings but with no real advance. (I'm not talking of the SouthWest, that's a different story, I'm talking of the SouthSouth where both sides were active).
What happened is that after 4 months playing defense, with RLP nobling 10 to 20 villages total plus a ton of barbs and thinking they were gaining the war, we were finally able to focus here and so we planned a proper op. One that doesn't count on the enemy getting tired but actually nobles them out. The result was this:
After just 2 weeks:
And a month later:
By the way, if you want to know how to properly play, just do the precise opposite of what RLP does:
1. Be bold, don't pick one player but an area to attack and make it as wide as the players under your command can do.
2. Move as few players as you can per province, never more than 3. But if you can do it with 1, go with 1 and have the others attacking elsewhere.
3. Use your brains, you don't need to send hundreds of attacks every day. Plan what you do and make sure that what you do is part of your own plan and part of the general tribe's offensive plan. Instead of being the annoying small dog constantly barking at everything, be the silent one, that sometimes bites and bites for good.
4. If a player gets tired and quit, go for the active ones first, that one can't hurt you anymore.
5. If he is stubborn and keeps sniping your trains, time your shit better next time, improve your game, attack differently. Don't do the same over and over again. Study your enemy, learn with your mistakes, be better.
This is what I've written to bosshogworthy about a month ago when RLP started picking on him. It's more or less what I've written before (that's why it's under spoiler), but it's interesting to notice that after this time he is still there thriving, and nothing has changed in RLP's gameplay or skills:
hibakusha has written:
What I know from RLP is that they pick one enemy at a time. And while we move 1 to 3 players per province (I don't think I ever given instructions for more than that), they move everyone to each province. I've seen provinces with more than 10 players from them. If each of these players has a church in that province you can see how many troops you loose there. Also, because they are so focused on who they are attacking, it's actually easy to move all our defense to face their attacks.
Also, what they did to Cecilia was they all moved in to her southernmost provinces. They even nobled 3 or 4 villages from her within 3 months time. But while Cecilia owned the province with less than 5 villages, their way to advance was to noble barbs. That gave them the feeling that they were gaining ground, but all they were doing was nobling barbs. And because at some point they had more villages in those provinces than Cecilia, they thought it was theirs.
Their tactic is always the same, pick one player keep attacking all together against that player without any brains, that is not necessary for them. What matters is tiring the enemy. So they just keep doing it, adding more players, and more players. If they face a less resilient player, he will quit and they will finally be able to actually noble him... But if they find a resilient player, it will happen what happened to Cecilia, MissD, Trsid, Tael, you
Then one day we decide to put an op on them properly thought out and they finally understand that was never theirs and we remove them from those provinces and put them on the run. We do not tire them down, that's their tactic, we actually noble them out. And when you have 10 different players in one province, there's always a few who aren't that good or are inactive and that you can easily noble them out. And that's the perfect backdoor to also attack the ones that actually know what they are doing.
If you are a resilient player, RLP's tactics are very very poor. They will never make it.
bosshogworthy has written:
yep. they picked a stubborn old bastard here. but i can see how they try to tire a player out.
Just one more thing. It could be that my experience was an isolated way of RLP to do things. Maybe they just had a poor leader in the south squad. It could be, but then I read what other tribemates write about other areas and the strategies seem the same. So I end up thinking it's a tribe overall thing and not just that specific squad.
Its very nice to see this discussion is actually evolving from a bit of a "taunt" towards RLP - and straight into teaching the opponents "how to play" thread instead. I think this learning curve might be steep, but if you listing to Hibakusha, I know your in the best of hands.
I hope you take his advise since he is right on the spot with attacks and how to play.
That's the problem. I feel like RLP have ruined a new crop of players with their tactics, see how much they thrive after they join us? compare the growths (not just points, but bash points) of the people that join us
There are still a bunch left from BP era.